tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064339973020364259.post2763711290928823934..comments2012-11-06T09:46:15.661-08:00Comments on Fighting Company Devjon: TyphoonsDevjonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07126096792379344134noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064339973020364259.post-4688275900539554992011-12-01T18:00:12.509-08:002011-12-01T18:00:12.509-08:00I just rough figured it in my head and real world ...I just rough figured it in my head and real world tells us that you won't always be able to get that cover (or that your target can shoot you back as cleanly as you shoot them). Of course, if you do have to end up in difficult terrain, then you might get that 1/6 Immobilize = Wrecked as well.<br /><br />All in all, I figure it is a wash, with single Speeders probably edging out in "survivability" overall, but liking the extra firepower.<br /><br />I don't know about pairing any two since anything I do to get one obscured would work just as well for single as a squadron of two. Something most often messed up is allocation hits & glances to a squadron. It should be done like for infantry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064339973020364259.post-56938305302372342772011-11-30T07:51:32.590-08:002011-11-30T07:51:32.590-08:00I hadn't considered the difficulty of trying t...I hadn't considered the difficulty of trying to give three Land Speeders cover. And, now that you mention it, I hadn't really considered that having only one Typhoon at all visible translates to equal firepower as just one Typhoon in the squad, but slightly better survivability. <br /><br />Looking at some new numbers, that makes a change in that, without that easy chance at cover, Squadrons are more vulnerable to higher strength weaponry, but if they get cover then they are actually less vulnerable to higher-strength weaponry than single Typhoons.<br /><br />Unfortunately, that really only affects my final conclusions in that 3-Typhoon Squadrons are even less useful than 2-Typhoon Squadrons. However I do appreciate the increased usefulness of the Squadrons now (choice between increased fire-power or increased survivability).<br /><br />But the bonus durability is very, very small, only about 16% more likely to survive a Melta shot, but the next best improvement is 8%, then dropping to 6% for S9. Add to that the chance that an Autocannon could kill them both (incredibly unlikely, but the chance is still there), and I don't think that what you gain is always worth that extra 70 points.<br /><br />I'm just rambling here, but it could be worth it to invest in a MM/HF Speeder to be paired with each Typhoon. That way, you can hold the MM/HF Speeder in cover until a target is close enough (switching the two out) and can decide which one will be more valuable to you when assigning penetrating or glancing hits. It could work, though I'm not sure how well.Devjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07126096792379344134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5064339973020364259.post-2105442709557365002011-11-30T06:22:15.556-08:002011-11-30T06:22:15.556-08:00I agree with shorter ranged Speeders, but when it ...I agree with shorter ranged Speeders, but when it gets to Typhoons things change a bit, at least for dual Speeder squadrons. I generally find it almost trivial to get my "shot" at a target while being able to keep one Speeder obscured from most return fire and/or keep the range open enough to avoid most fire. The big deal? If I can shoot Target A cleanly and one of the two Speeders is obscured, then just like infantry, if half or more of the squad(ron) gets cover, the entire thing gets cover. <br /><br />So the question would be, how does losing half your hits change the equation? Against a single Speeder, there is a 1/3 chance to kill it, against two, there is a 1/2 chance to kill per penetrating hit. With one obscured, it then becomes a 1/4 chance to kill. Squadrons of two, although dying on immobilized hits are actually more survivable that most people think.<br /><br />Now, if we get three Speeders, that cover becomes harder to obtain, so your original numbers apply. This is why I rejected anything over a six Speeder list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com